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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:36 pm

Keselowski fined for criticizing EFI

Another Driver fined for saying something NASCAR did not Like.

http://www.nascar.com/news/111117/bkese ... index.html
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:41 pm

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Guess "boys have at it" does not include speaking your mind about NASCAR.

What did Ryan do to get fined in regards to JPM?
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:47 pm

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That was earlier this year most think Ryan punched JPM in the NASCAR hauler.
Will have to look up when that was.
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:52 pm

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Ah ok, I didn't realize he got fined for that but it probably was money well spent.
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:02 pm

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Denny got fined for taking a poll or something on tweeter that had to do with Nascar. Ryan got fined twice. Once for calling out Nascar on the plate tracks, saying they wont be happy until they kill someone. This was when he was trapped in his car, upside down with the roof resting on his helmet. Then he was fined again when he allegidly :mrgreen: punched the columbian blowhard!
Tally 100k from Ryan
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& whatever they took from Bad Brad.

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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:41 pm

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"They" say Brad wrote a check for 25 grand.....I like him, I would like to see him say that he was fined and stands behind his opinion.
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:16 pm

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Good for Brad! :-)
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:30 pm

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What Brad says is true,throttle body went out the end of the 90's, it was never truly fuel injection to start with as it was a spray pattern that worked simular to a carb.and fuel milage was the same.When Nascar said fuel injection,i thought they meant-fuel injection,so this is all a crock of $hit on Nascars part and they fined Brad for being honest? Brad,you let the cat out of the bag,shame on you,now we are gonna fine you? How long did they think it would take the public to find out anyway? Have an idea Nascar,rather than taken money from drivers or teams,why don't you concentrate on how you can fill the stands and you wouldn't need their money! :evil:
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Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:55 pm

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I'd have pitched in if BK had needed it. That's not the first time I heard them talk about it being a throttle body so I don't think they were trying to keep it quiet. Brad's right, it's old and dated. I was working at a Ford dealership when I bought my Ford Bronco. They tried to get me to order an '85 but I wouldn't have it. The 85's were the first year they put the throttle body in the Bronco. I said keep your 85, I'll take the 84 carburated Bronco, thank you.
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I am kind of surprised more people aren't discussing why there is this secrecy about fines and I think it's all Brian France. He is a pompous, secretive guy and so it flows over into NASCAR. He tries to hide his own skeletons in his personal life -- i.e. being way behind in his alimony and child support and it's highly thought that he has an issue with sustances that make him feel "funny."

I just wish he would step down and let someone else be in charge. His personal life and the way he "hides everything" spills over unto the drivers ability to exercise their right of free speech. It's ridiculous how much power one man holds in NASCAR. I'm sorry if this offends some of his fans, but I think, he's a dirt bag who was handed the opportunity of a lifetime simply by being born into the family France and now he's on a total power trip. And now, he'll probably read this, hunt me down and squelch my voice!! If I suddenly disappear from this website, you'll know it was because I said something against the omnipotent Brian France!!

Gosh, I hate being that negative either, but I just find it interesting no one is blaming Brian in particular for this stupidity of fining drivers like Ryan and Brad for speaking their minds with concerns that are mostly important safety issues!
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Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:50 pm

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tlmerk wrote:I am kind of surprised more people aren't discussing why there is this secrecy about fines and I think it's all Brian France. He is a pompous, secretive guy and so it flows over into NASCAR. He tries to hide his own skeletons in his personal life -- i.e. being way behind in his alimony and child support and it's highly thought that he has an issue with sustances that make him feel "funny."

I just wish he would step down and let someone else be in charge. His personal life and the way he "hides everything" spills over unto the drivers ability to exercise their right of free speech. It's ridiculous how much power one man holds in NASCAR. I'm sorry if this offends some of his fans, but I think, he's a dirt bag who was handed the opportunity of a lifetime simply by being born into the family France and now he's on a total power trip. And now, he'll probably read this, hunt me down and squelch my voice!! If I suddenly disappear from this website, you'll know it was because I said something against the omnipotent Brian France!!

Gosh, I hate being that negative either, but I just find it interesting no one is blaming Brian in particular for this stupidity of fining drivers like Ryan and Brad for speaking their minds with concerns that are mostly important safety issues!

Brian France already ruined what made nascar great. Real racing. Now all emphasis is on points & hollywood. The racing is way down on his list of importance. About him being secretive, Big Bill & Bill France Jr. both was in your face about their decisions. They werent scared to say outloud what their decisions were.
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Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:50 pm

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NASCAR chairman Brian France defends secret fines

By JENNA FRYER, AP Auto Racing Writer
4 hours, 30 minutes ago


HOMESTEAD, Fla. (AP)—NASCAR chairman Brian France defended the policy of fining drivers who make critical comments about the series, and said Friday he saw no benefit in making those penalties public.

The Associated Press on Thursday reported Brad Keselowski was fined $25,000 for critical comments made last week about NASCAR’s move to fuel injection next season. It marks at least four times in two years drivers have been fined for comments and NASCAR has not announced them.

This latest incident has overshadowed NASCAR’s championship weekend, which was being celebrated for the tremendous title fight between Carl Edwards and Tony Stewart before word of Keselowski’s fine spread.

“When you cross a line that denigrates the direction of the sport or the quality of the racing, we’re not going to accept that. Not going to accept it,” France said. “Happy to have any other criticism, any other complaint, happy to hear them all. If I own a restaurant and I say you know what, the food in my restaurant is not very good, we’re not going to accept it. It’s as simple as that.”

But he didn’t offer a clear reason why NASCAR doesn’t announce the fines.

“What would be the benefit? The drivers know exactly what we’re after,” he said. “They know exactly what we expect out of them and when they don’t handle that, the only way we can control that is, obviously, a fining system.”

The NBA and NFL both fine coaches and players for critical comments about the league and officiating, but NASCAR for a long time had no such policy. That’s changed in recent years as NASCAR toughened up when drivers made comments that could potentially damage the brand.

Denny Hamlin was fined last year for questioning on Twitter the legitimacy of debris cautions, and Ryan Newman has drawn two fines—one for complaining about racing at Talladega, another for an incident with Juan Pablo Montoya inside the NASCAR hauler at Darlington this year.

NASCAR did not publicize any of them, but the AP learned of all four. Asked Friday if there were others, France didn’t answer.

“There could be. That’s why they’re private, right?” he asked.

Pressed repeatedly on the issue, which on Friday clearly overshadowed NASCAR’s three title races, France seemed to get exasperated as he explained the policy will be reconsidered.

“Look, don’t panic over this,” he said. “We’ll look at it over the offseason. If we need to change it, we’ll change it. Not a big deal.”

Fans, though, do believe it’s a big deal and have often complained that NASCAR makes arbitrary rulings, makes things up to fit the situation and plays favorites. So when word comes out that the sanctioning body did something in secret, fans hold it as proof series leaders aren’t always operating above board.

France dismissed the notion.

“Sort of this idea that there are a bunch of things going on behind the curtain—we’ve never been more transparent,” he said.

Hamlin admitted Friday his fine last year curbed his participation on Twitter and his willingness to be outspoken,

“I stopped quite a bit when I did get fined, and anybody would in that situation,” Hamlin said. “So, yeah, you reserve your comments to outside of the sport, talking about your day. It definitely changed the way I use my Twitter account. I’m not going to keep getting fined.

“I for sure want to go out there and speak my mind on some things I do and don’t agree with, but I am not going to just keep hacking up a fine every time I have an opinion.”

Newman said NASCAR walks a fine line in monitoring driver comments.

“I think it is a good thing that NASCAR manages that, I think it is a good thing that they do it the way they do,” Newman said. “It is not anything that is fun to talk about or any part of it that we need to go into any deeper, but it is tough to speak your piece sometimes when your piece is not what some people want to hear.

“I’m sure you could go talk to every driver out there, where they wanted to say something at one point and they decided not to … there’s things that I’ve heard people say that I questioned. There’s things that I’ve said that I don’t think should have ever been an issue but they were.

“It’s not black and white, it’s not cut and dry. It’s not that simple. Period.”

It’s not clear how this latest fine will affect Keselowski, who has developed into one of NASCAR’s most outspoken drivers.

He got himself into trouble last week during an appearance at the NASCAR Hall of Fame, when he called next year’s move to fuel injection “a disaster.”

“We’re not doing this because it’s better for the teams,” Keselowski said. “I don’t think we’re really going to save any gas. It’s a media circus, trying to make you guys happy so you write good stories. It gives them something to promote. We’re always looking for something to promote, but the honest answer is it does nothing for the sport except cost the team owners money.

“Cars on the street are injected with real electronics, not a throttle body (like in NASCAR). So we’ve managed to go from 50-year-old technology to 35-year-old technology. I don’t see what the big deal is.”
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Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:12 pm

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Good post Tracy... and great article, HH.

I think Tracy and the article hit the nail on the head.....
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Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:26 pm

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Brian France is a media whore when it justifies him. They announce all other fines and penalities, why not these? Because it makes him look like the a$$ he is. Once a driver is fined, they change their tune and fall in line. It makes me sick that NASCAR has that power. And to top it off, for just spoken words, the amounts are enormous. They're the same as equipment violations. Just goes to show how much of what NASCAR does is just pulled out of their a$$. Sorry, but "freedom of speech" should overrule even the dictatorship of NASCAR.

I apologize if this offends anyone, but it just "chaps my hide"
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Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:53 pm

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Rochelle wrote:...... Sorry, but "freedom of speech" should overrule even the dictatorship of NASCAR. ....


Here, here! One of the best statements, I've heard so far. :-)
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