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Schmoopy1000

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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:36 pm

About Penalties

I am still confused on why there is a suspension & loss of points from the beginning.
(Keep in mind here I dont care for the 48 team)
the car never seen the track. it was a preinspection. Does this mean if a team doesnt fit the templates on accident, that loss of points will happen even before anything?
Now I understand that Nascar will come up with their why it needed to happens, & assuredly(is that a word) it will be some grey area thing that cant be disputed.
So moving on to my puzzlment of penalties.
Now Chad & the car chief aare gone for 6 races (after they lose their appeal) Maybe it will get reduced, but Nascar wont let them win it. So now they fine Driver & owner 25 points. Again see above to why I dont understand the penalty here either. So for whatever grey area Nascar wants to work in, to justify this we will sonn learn as well, but let me take this a little further. I understand when in post inspections it is just the norm to take the same points from owner & driver, whether the driver knew anything about it or not. I get this. He raced with what Nascar seemed an unfair advantage. How would you seperate the penalty. However aagain this is a pre everything inspection. Ok the Owner is ultimately responsible for the race team, so he gets docked 25 points for the Nascar grey area infraction, but how on God's green earth do you take points from the driver? The car was never on the track, & for all we know, the driver may have never even seen the car. Sorry I dont think there is a grey area for Nascar to justify this penalty. I believe it is a just because we can move & maybe they are too lazy to deal with the driver/owner points being different. I dont know. For those that want say yes, JJ deserves the point deduction, just put your favorite driver in that senario & see if you have the same thought. In this case I cant see in any possible form how the driver loses points. (of course I cant see how the penalty came about in the 1st place)
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:56 pm

Re: About Penalties

It's the France / Helton way of doing things... in my opinion.

There is a little voice inside my head that keeps wondering if this wasn't a media ploy to try and garner back the fans that left, saying the chase was rigged. "All you haters come back! Look what we're doing to them now!"

I repeat...none of the actions of NASCAR, regarding this, could stand and defend themselves in a court of LAW. The "evidence" has been corrupted by means of no protection.

In NASCAR, you are guilty until proven innocent, it seems.

It's the court of Helton & Frances.

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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:01 pm

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Schmoopy, NASCAR was sending Chad a message loud and clear, "Don't mess with the car"!!!!!! I think they got so much flack when Chad was caught on camera telling Jimmy if he won to damage the back end on the burn outs, that this time they had to send a message! It did seem a little harsh but I think Chad got the message. JMO
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:27 pm

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While JJ and Chad are the two people I dislike the most in NASCAR. That being said if this wasn't the 48 team it would have been at most a 6 points penalty and 4 weeks off. Bur Chad has a history and NASCAR to remind him who calls the shots. I get that.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:58 pm

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well like I said. I understand they will have a jusification for Chad & the 48 team penalty. & not being a fan of the 48 dont care to debate beyond my original thoughts. However I can see no justification to penalizing the driver points, other than Nascar saying just because.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:13 pm

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everyone knows where i stand, im not gonna sit here and play a fiddle, but i will say this and i know many will agree, nascar is the most dysfunctional sanctioning body in sports, they always change things up to suit them and every situation, the only thing they should be commended for are the safety innovations, outside that they truly are a monkey humping a football.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:14 pm

Re: About Penalties

come on... sing it with me... you 'oldies' know the tune... ;-)

The Ballad Of NASCAR

Come and listen to a story about a thing called racing
With poor Southern families, and foreclosure they were facing
Then one day they made it in to a sport
And they kept all the rules, hidden in a fort

NASCAR Officials
Rules & Allowances
Variances and templates

Well the first thing you know ol France is a millionaire,
His kinfolk said "Let's make some more money from there"
They said "A monarchy is the only way to be"
So they loaded up the rules and made a monopoly.

Kings they are.
Swimmin' pools, celebrity lawyers
and Movie stars.

Well now it's time to say good bye to France and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin' in.
You're all invited back again to this locality
To pay for a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality

NASCAR that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off
Spend some money. Buy some stuff.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?




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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:46 pm

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Smokie 14 and Doc so much talent so little time!!! Love it! Keep them coming!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:47 pm

Re: About Penalties

smokieonefour wrote:come on... sing it with me... you 'oldies' know the tune... ;-)

The Ballad Of NASCAR

Come and listen to a story about a thing called racing
With poor Southern families, and foreclosure they were facing
Then one day they made it in to a sport
And they kept all the rules, hidden in a fort

NASCAR Officials
Rules & Allowances
Variances and templates

Well the first thing you know ol France is a millionaire,
His kinfolk said "Let's make some more money from there"
They said "A monarchy is the only way to be"
So they loaded up the rules and made a monopoly.

Kings they are.
Swimmin' pools, celebrity lawyers
and Movie stars.

Well now it's time to say good bye to France and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin' in.
You're all invited back again to this locality
To pay for a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality

NASCAR that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off
Spend some money. Buy some stuff.

Y'all come back now, y'hear?




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Now that there is just plain funny :lol:
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