POST ALL STAR RACE

Yes I know, this was a non points race but I'm seeing a disturbing trend with Team #39. They can't seem to get out of their own way during a race! Newman starts 10TH and finishes 10TH. What happened? Are Hendrick engines "behind"in the power band of Nascar engines? The new Ford engine and Jack's unlimited pocket-book are starting to rule along with Toyota. This is NOT good! Even Childres engines are looking a bit better than Hendrick. I no longer feel Hendrick engines "are the very best!"

Newman didn't get a good pit stall due to his teams finish in the pit crew competition.

If your paying attention on race day. Hendrick cars have to be perfectly balanced to gain their track advantage while Ford/Toyota can pull away with bulk horse power.

I guess I will have to accept the fact that Team #39 is about a Top 10 team and I mean the tail end of the Top 10! I know many don't want to hear this but it's a fact. Now, can they change this persona? Yes, with lots of money and Chevy stepping up with a better engine/chassis combination.

Tony Gibson is still not a good fit for Newman in my opinion as he looks like he robbed a donut store and his weight is climbing out of control!

 This is just one mans opinion.......what do you guys think?

Ryan late in the going went from 15th to 8th & was on the move, when the yellow before the final segment came out. It was the best the car had been & the 1st time the car was to Ryans liking. After the tires cooled & then he restarted he was a bit tight to the final segement.
After adjustments for the final 10 laps he was really tight again.
I agree. Gibson has no business being the CC of the #39. Thinking about that guy on the box makes me tired.

I agree about Gibson, but I feel the same way about Darian too. Our guys only gain or win with Luck, not much else....strategedy doesn't work for either of them and they have NO HorsePower to speak of. At least tonight, they didn't wreck the cars and Ryan made $85,000 and Tony $123,000.. Other than that, it was the most BORING AllStar race I have ever seen. I bet I get bashed for this opinion...lol

Ryan late in the going went from 15th to 8th & was on the move, when the yellow before the final segment came out. It was the best the car had been & the 1st time the car was to Ryans liking. After the tires cooled & then he restarted he was a bit tight to the final segement.
After adjustments for the final 10 laps he was really tight again.
I agree. Gibson has no business being the CC of the #39. Thinking about that guy on the box makes me tired.

Thanks schmoopy 1000!

When you watch a crew chief make all the wrong adjustments week after week I'm not about to kiss his butt just to be part of the "Sunshine Club!" Tony needs to work with Petty or Finch and improve his skills. Ryan's had enough mediocre years of racing. Tony even told Ryan tonight,"He's past his prime!".........Well Stewart, help the guy out please!

Got this from a friend that just got home from the race:

Just got back from the AllStar race. Big problem with that new big tv is if you sit on the backstretch you can't see it, except what you see reflecting in the windows of the suites on the other side of the track! And, it blocks the view of turn 3, also if you're sitting in the Diamond Tower Terrace. Little tv's in the infield were showing Speed broadcast, completely different from what track announcer was doing commentary about on the track.

I agree about Gibson, but I feel the same way about Darian too. Our guys only gain or win with Luck, not much else....strategedy doesn't work for either of them and they have NO HorsePower to speak of. At least tonight, they didn't wreck the cars and Ryan made $85,000 and Tony $123,000.. Other than that, it was the most BORING AllStar race I have ever seen. I bet I get bashed for this opinion...lol

Hey peanut, why would anyone bash a man for speaking the truth! I don't always comment in a positive slant. It's boring an unimaginative. If you have any passion for the success of your driver. You some times have to vent a little!

I agree about Gibson, but I feel the same way about Darian too. Our guys only gain or win with Luck, not much else....strategedy doesn't work for either of them and they have NO HorsePower to speak of. At least tonight, they didn't wreck the cars and Ryan made $85,000 and Tony $123,000.. Other than that, it was the most BORING AllStar race I have ever seen. I bet I get bashed for this opinion...lol

Hey peanut, why would anyone bash a man for speaking the truth! I don't always comment in a positive slant. It's boring an unimaginative. If you have any passion for the success of your driver. You some times have to vent a little!

Thanks Chevy, I have been bashed in the past is why I said that. Maybe not this time since I'm not alone on this subject.

personally i dont think HMS has bad engines, i do feel the fords are way past them in power, but they are beating everyone, i believe it is the personnel at SHR, except for that 1st year everything has been inconsistent, it want hendrick engines that made tony lose a few races on fuel mileage, and just this past stint in dover when everyone was up in arms about the way tony and ryan's car handled, i feel they need to look at the personal who sets up the cars, now if that starts with the crew chief then so be it, and i dont wanna hear that crap " well ryan gets along with gibson." if that is the case then the 39 team is content bein a mediocre team.

personally i dont think HMS has bad engines, i do feel the fords are way past them in power, but they are beating everyone, i believe it is the personnel at SHR, except for that 1st year everything has been inconsistent, it want hendrick engines that made tony lose a few races on fuel mileage, and just this past stint in dover when everyone was up in arms about the way tony and ryan's car handled, i feel they need to look at the personal who sets up the cars, now if that starts with the crew chief then so be it, and i dont wanna hear that crap " well ryan gets along with gibson." if that is the case then the 39 team is content bein a mediocre team.

Hey MJ!

Hendrick has excellent engines but it seem to me that the other car manufacturers are "ahead of the curve" in producing that little extra power band. Technology never sets still. It's always evolving and improving especially in Nascar racing! In other words, Hendrick engines are no longer the "big dog" in my opinion. Never underestimate the Japanese when it comes to wanting to be the best at anything!

NO team should settle for being mediocre but like I have said. People like Jack Roush have super deep pockets of cash and money talks and bull #$%^ walks in racing! S/H does not have the money for research and development like Jack has. I know many of the Roush family. Jack's from Ohio and still has family living here. Jack LOVES to win and WILL spend the money... trust me on that.

...I still think it's more about handling. ALWAYS remember, there's 2 ways to make a car fast...make more HP OR getthe handling down. Kyle's post race interview stated that, he said(basically) that Carl's car was "stuck" to the track better than his and Carl didn't have to wait 'til his car was pointed straight to mash the gas pedal comin' off the corners. That's why(as I've heard asked many times) JJ looks like he has more HP than the rest of the Hendrick cars...he(typically) has the best handling car on a consistant basis...wait 'til the "final 10" and see how "down on HP" they look.

And, let's remember...if not for a screwed pit stop, Tony woulda' won Vegas(which he dominated) which woulda' been one more win for Hendrick engines, one less for Rousch. Also remember, 3 of the top 5 cars at 'Dega were Hendrick. Also, in that final run...Tony was pretty much holding station, as far as lap times go, with the leaders. And, JJ got screwed last night AND last week with tire strategy or the results woulda'/coulda'/shoulda' been different.

...so, I(personally) don't think they are far behind at all...like I said, wait 'til the final 10 and we'll see if they're behind or not...

Carl is a better driver than Kyle and i can't stand either of them and Kyle never finishes second or worse w/o some excuse.The last weekend Carl beat Kyle in the NW series was the fact Carl made Kyle wear his tires out,but if you ask Kyle,well you know the rest,it's never him. The All-Star race was the most boring one i can remember,maybe over all the hype of things that could have happened and didn't i'm not sure.The only one outside the #99 and #18 that looked like he had a shot was #16 at first.Million reasons for Kyle to make a move on Carl for the win,but nooooooooooo,he waits for points races. Will say in Kyles defense,i don't think anyone aside Biff at one point in the race was going to catch Carl.Ford has it and they all want it and they'll all be crying as history repeats itself.LET THE MANUFACTURES DEAL,GM WILL NOT BE BEATEN[bailed out maybe-but not beaten]. The only thing i gotta say to Kyle is,sucks when you aren't the one dominating doesn't it?

...I still think it's more about handling. ALWAYS remember, there's 2 ways to make a car fast...make more HP OR getthe handling down. Kyle's post race interview stated that, he said(basically) that Carl's car was "stuck" to the track better than his and Carl didn't have to wait 'til his car was pointed straight to mash the gas pedal comin' off the corners. That's why(as I've heard asked many times) JJ looks like he has more HP than the rest of the Hendrick cars...he(typically) has the best handling car on a consistant basis...wait 'til the "final 10" and see how "down on HP" they look.

And, let's remember...if not for a screwed pit stop, Tony woulda' won Vegas(which he dominated) which woulda' been one more win for Hendrick engines, one less for Rousch. Also remember, 3 of the top 5 cars at 'Dega were Hendrick. Also, in that final run...Tony was pretty much holding station, as far as lap times go, with the leaders. And, JJ got screwed last night AND last week with tire strategy or the results woulda'/coulda'/shoulda' been different.

...so, I(personally) don't think they are far behind at all...like I said, wait 'til the final 10 and we'll see if they're behind or not...

Pretty good observation!

Speed use to be determined by the lower drag body styles at one time. Remember the Dodge Charger nightmare Newman had to deal with years ago? That nose was almost impossible to balance and Newman had to wait it out for Dodge Motor Sports and Nascar to solve the issue.

Speed is also determined by rear end gearing/engine. But most of all, it's all about how smoothly you can get through the corners and be able to mash the accelerator. This is all Nascar teams biggest challenge is the race cars ability to stick to the track at a very high speed while cornering. Therefore, you have to keep the stock car as low to the track as physically possible with out bottoming out which scrubs off speed. This adds priceless down force! But, your air mass changes if there's a car in front or behind you(dirty air). So, when the car is by itself, it's aerodynamically faster! Unless your in a restrictor plate race dealing with lower horse power. Two cars are better than one!

The tires can make a big difference as well. You have Nascar messing around with them for entertainment purposes. I say, quit messing with the tires and let them race!

I hate it when Tony Stewart does better than my driver. Makes me wonder?

i have one comment to make about the fan vote, or a question i should say, does this mean JR will be voted in every year now??????? I really hope not, i would like them change it up so other drivers have a shot, im not knockin Jr but nothing has shown me he is going to win anytime soon, and it would suck if that fan vote got monopolized. The all star race is for winners, bottom line, end of story.

i have one comment to make about the fan vote, or a question i should say, does this mean JR will be voted in every year now??????? I really hope not, i would like them change it up so other drivers have a shot, im not knockin Jr but nothing has shown me he is going to win anytime soon, and it would suck if that fan vote got monopolized. The all star race is for winners, bottom line, end of story.

its a good point. But yes Jr will get the fan vote as long as he needs it.
I do think if you get the fan vote one year you shouldnt be able to get it the next.

In a way I feel embarrassed for JR to get in via the fan vote. It's kind of stupid in my opinion. It's like saying, "Well, you don't really deserve to be racing with the other drivers but since you're well liked, or in Junior's case, since you have an icon for a father, we'll bend the rules for you."

I have always liked Jr. but I don't think it's fair he gets voted fan favorite every year. I mean it's fair if they're going to have a favorite driver entry but the whole loophole seems kind of stupid to me.