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Post Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:53 pm

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Well guys, I am just greatful he made it out alive. What a mess these past couple of days there have been.
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Post Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:30 pm

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This will be the year of the "SMOKE". :!: Looking forward to a great season. Daytona was the stepping stone for his best season ever. 8-)
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Post Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:00 pm

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Who said that people saying not winning the Daytona 500 maki g your career incomplete is complete nonsense? Disagree. Winning the Daytona 500 is almost just as good as winning a championship. What defines NAsCAR is this race. As a driver it is what you dream about. And it sticks with you for the rest of your life. Matt Kenseth, Jamie McMurray and Kevin Harvick all cried when they won ( not sure about this time for Matt though). Look what it did for Trevor Byane.
Cup: 14, 1, 29, 88, 99, 11, 17, 39, 15, 5, 2, 16
NW: 7, 31, 3, 11, 60, 88, 12
Trucks: 9, 88, 3, 7, 17, 31
IRL: 10, 11, 12, 26, 3, 38, 27
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Post Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:10 pm

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It has already been said best but I will say it again, Daytona is REALY just the first points race of the year, nothing more nothing less. I wish there was someway to turn it around and maybe either make it the last race, OR build as much hype about Homestead.
Also the good side was his cars had the power to run good. Plus it seems that the drivers the last couple of years that have won Daytona went on to have lousy seasons...
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Post Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:56 pm

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The Daytona 500 isn't just"the first race of the year." it's the most important one too. First off what over race do you prepare for months for? Second, what
other race are you called a champion for winning in NASCAR? Two ways to be a champ in cup. Win the title or when the Daytona 500. It's out super bowl. Rusty Wallace to this day says his career is incomplete with a 500 win. Tony says his will be without one. Look at Dale Earnhardt's reaction in 1999 and tell me the Daytona 500 is just "The first race of the season". There is the Daytona 500,and then the rest of the season.
Cup: 14, 1, 29, 88, 99, 11, 17, 39, 15, 5, 2, 16
NW: 7, 31, 3, 11, 60, 88, 12
Trucks: 9, 88, 3, 7, 17, 31
IRL: 10, 11, 12, 26, 3, 38, 27
RIP Dan Wheldon
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:42 am

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Smokeshow14 wrote:The Daytona 500 isn't just"the first race of the year." it's the most important one too. First off what over race do you prepare for months for? Second, what
other race are you called a champion for winning in NASCAR? Two ways to be a champ in cup. Win the title or when the Daytona 500. It's out super bowl. Rusty Wallace to this day says his career is incomplete with a 500 win. Tony says his will be without one. Look at Dale Earnhardt's reaction in 1999 and tell me the Daytona 500 is just "The first race of the season". There is the Daytona 500,and then the rest of the season.


..."two ways to become a Champion in Cup"...no, not even close. Daytona IS the biggest race of the year, no doubt, but it IS also only one race. You can "dumb luck or right place at the right time" the 500...orany other race. Not so with a Championship, you have to preform ALL year...or, I guess now the last 10(provided you qualify for the Chase), NOBODY "lucks" their way through 10 weeks. Look at Kenseth's first 500 win, rain shortened,I doubt he wins if it they finish the race. You can win a race...ANY race that way...can't win a Championship that way. Superbowl...nope, Superbowl decides THE Champion in football...not who won their first game of the year. ;) Champion is just a term that you could apply to ANY race if you wished...Brickyard 400 Champion, Bristol Night Race Champion, Southern 500 Champion...Coca Cola 600 Champion...just a name.

Now, would I like to see Tony win one...of course. But, no more than I'd like to see him win another road course race as those are my favorites...and(IMO) take MORE from the driver to win. ;)

Or, look at it this way...Tony retires without a 500 win and, let's for fun, say that Mikey Waltrip wins another one. You REALLY think his three 500's are equal Tony's three Championships...you think that would get Mikey into the HOF? Tony's goin'...with or WITHOUT a 500 win. So, you're right about one thing...there's the Daytona 500 and the rest of the season...the rest of the season > the Daytona 500... ;) :)
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:36 pm

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Its not about "Meant to be" as even destiny or fate cant help when too many idiots are on track creating carnage at every turn. This type of racing is NOT about the best driver--its about the Luckiest driver--plain and simple, and Tony and all of SHR werent lucky enough. Tony has done plenty so not winning this one race--who cares? Few drivers have achieved what he has done--end of story. quit worrying about it :roll:
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:46 pm

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Rulez14 but no one calls even the Brickyard 400 winner champion. Same with the Southern 500, Coca Cola 600, or the Irwin Tools 500. Not saying Mikey deserves a hof spot at all. But Mikey did show talent and speed at one point in his career and he became a two time Daytona 500 champion. Championships are a bigger deal, but the 500 champion gets more reconigtion overall. Dale Jr described it as a season in one race. You guys are just down playing it because Tony had yet to win it.
Cup: 14, 1, 29, 88, 99, 11, 17, 39, 15, 5, 2, 16
NW: 7, 31, 3, 11, 60, 88, 12
Trucks: 9, 88, 3, 7, 17, 31
IRL: 10, 11, 12, 26, 3, 38, 27
RIP Dan Wheldon
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:12 pm

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I think Tony will eventually win the 500. He has won every other race at Daytona multiple times and look how long it took Earnhardt Sr. to finally win the 500. I will just keep sending Smoke good juju and hope for the best
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:26 pm

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well let me add my 1 cent, bein a jj fan i can honestly say, it is the cup tittles i think that are more important, only time they may mention him as a 500 champion is around the time daytona comes around, i strongly believe the 500 of today is a luck race, plate racing today sucks, and it is set up for anybody and their mother to win,
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:50 pm

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I'll give you 2 cents. Yes, I want Tony and Ryan and, even Danica to win the Daytona 500, no matter what kind of race it is. And does it count for anything? Do I need to say Derrick Cope? I wouldn't know anything about Cope if he didn't win Daytona. I wish I didn't know anything about him except that he has two nieces who are racing. (Anybody remember the old hair replacement ads?)

I shall continue to pull for Tony to win the Daytona 500. That is my choice. You are free to make your own choice.
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Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:55 pm

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ndunn wrote:I have no doubt that Tony will take the Daytona 500 some day. Even if he never does win the 500 he'll always be one of the best that ever drove.



I agree Tony is the best
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Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:54 am

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I am also pulling for Tony to win the Daytona Race, I just also have faith that eventually he will. I just think there is a little to much Hype about how important it is, And they do not spend the whole off season preparing for the 500,
But hey they are in AZ this week, and I bet he rebounds.
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Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:19 pm

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Smokeshow14 wrote:Rulez14 but no one calls even the Brickyard 400 winner champion. Same with the Southern 500, Coca Cola 600, or the Irwin Tools 500. Not saying Mikey deserves a hof spot at all. But Mikey did show talent and speed at one point in his career and he became a two time Daytona 500 champion. Championships are a bigger deal, but the 500 champion gets more reconigtion overall. Dale Jr described it as a season in one race. You guys are just down playing it because Tony had yet to win it.


...doesn't matter if they use the word champion or not...in terms of use champion = winner... look up the word synonymous, might help you out a bit. ;) The ONLY point that Mikey "showed speed" was between '01 and '03 and that was ONLY because DEI was the first to implement a special restrictor plate engine program and was all but untouchable during that time. Around '04-'05 everyone else caught up...then what happened to "champion Mikey's talent and speed"?...right... ;)

Who cares what the "F" Jr. says...another one who's never been really that close an ACTUAL Championship...I'll be suprised if he ever does either. But, that's probably why you "play the 500 win up"...it's the closest that someone likeJ-Mac will ever get to an ACTUAL Championship...see what I did there... :P ;) :lol:
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Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:25 pm

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I do agree the a championship means more. But the Daytona 500 is right behind it. Case closed.

Rulez don't tell me your one of them? Mikey won not just because he had good cars but he was a good driver. Winning the biggest race twice takes a good driver. And he is a champion for that no matter what you think. Tony seems to think the 500 is big as he says if he doesn't win it it will leave a big whole in his career. That's coming from a guy who has nothing to prove. The Daytona 500 will always be what NASCAR is. Just like the Indy 500 is what the IRL is. Maybe it is the closest Jamie will come to winning an actual championship idk, he has chase level talent. But the same cam be said for Ryan Newman.
Cup: 14, 1, 29, 88, 99, 11, 17, 39, 15, 5, 2, 16
NW: 7, 31, 3, 11, 60, 88, 12
Trucks: 9, 88, 3, 7, 17, 31
IRL: 10, 11, 12, 26, 3, 38, 27
RIP Dan Wheldon
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You got to have a big gigantic drum kit.
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