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Post Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:43 pm

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This video is a lot longer and a lot more detailed than the first one. They actually tried to pull the driver out of the SUV on more than 1 occasion. You can see where the vehicle was blocked in by the MCs on multiple occasions from the front and back. So even if he tried to stop quick the MCs behind would have run into the SUV. Then you have the MC that locked 'em up in front of the vehicle leaving the SUV running over the MC and its rider. Either way, this is a no win situation for all involved. Fortunately this video leaves out the beating of the driver, although it does show them smashing the windows to drag the driver out and that is where it ends.

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Post Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:13 am

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beaverpond wrote:This video is a lot longer and a lot more detailed than the first one. They actually tried to pull the driver out of the SUV on more than 1 occasion. You can see where the vehicle was blocked in by the MCs on multiple occasions from the front and back. So even if he tried to stop quick the MCs behind would have run into the SUV. Then you have the MC that locked 'em up in front of the vehicle leaving the SUV running over the MC and its rider. Either way, this is a no win situation for all involved. Fortunately this video leaves out the beating of the driver, although it does show them smashing the windows to drag the driver out and that is where it ends.


yeah but they didn't try to pull out the driver until after he ran over the people. The guy that got paralyzed was a guy that was checking on the original biker that got hit.
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Post Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:52 pm

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All of these comments are so interesting! Here's my ( more than ) 2 cents ... LOL

The video is very disturbing. So far, what I see left out is - when the SUV accidentally bumped the tire of the bike that stopped in front of him ....the SUV was attacked at that site ... prompting a FATHER to get his wife and child OUT OF DANGER. The video does not show the attack at the bump site ... and guy that got ran over was OFF his bike and banging on the hood. Innocent? Hardly. He was just the dumb butt of the group to stand in front of a car. Kinda glad he'll never walk again to attack or terrorize another family. Bully got beat ... sorry - NOT sorry for him. Some people get what they ask for... kwim?

Stuff is weak in the East... LOL Do the HA's need to come up there and teach a lesson or two? LOL Growing up in the bay area next to Oakland ( Forever Oaktown... & GO A's! ), they're everywhere ... and no one messes with them. If they get ahead of you... then slow down & back off & leave a ton of room... as a show of respect. That's the way it works... thought everyone knew this. LOL

However... getting back on track - an organized bike club is a much different entity than over 1,000 people who "ride bikes" and converge. Anything can happen - from organized terror to complete chaos. With every passing 1/4 mile, the "mob mentality" grew inside many riders.

The above is a good example to point out the difference between a republic and a democracy.

In a Democracy, the mob rules and the one ( SUV driver ) has no rights and is at the liberty of the mob with no recourse. ( Vigilante Justice )

In a Republic, that SUV driver has rights and should be brought to justice. ( Court of law )

We live in a republic but have a democratic way of voting and God Bless the Republic.

Anyone who thinks the bikers were right, justified, had a good reason or were made to do it needs to sit on a jury and learn about what the rest of us follow - THE LAW.
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Post Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:33 pm

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smokieonefour wrote:All of these comments are so interesting! Here's my ( more than ) 2 cents ... LOL

The video is very disturbing. So far, what I see left out is - when the SUV accidentally bumped the tire of the bike that stopped in front of him ....the SUV was attacked at that site ... prompting a FATHER to get his wife and child OUT OF DANGER. The video does not show the attack at the bump site ... and guy that got ran over was OFF his bike and banging on the hood. Innocent? Hardly. He was just the dumb butt of the group to stand in front of a car. Kinda glad he'll never walk again to attack or terrorize another family. Bully got beat ... sorry - NOT sorry for him. Some people get what they ask for... kwim?

Stuff is weak in the East... LOL Do the HA's need to come up there and teach a lesson or two? LOL Growing up in the bay area next to Oakland ( Forever Oaktown... & GO A's! ), they're everywhere ... and no one messes with them. If they get ahead of you... then slow down & back off & leave a ton of room... as a show of respect. That's the way it works... thought everyone knew this. LOL

However... getting back on track - an organized bike club is a much different entity than over 1,000 people who "ride bikes" and converge. Anything can happen - from organized terror to complete chaos. With every passing 1/4 mile, the "mob mentality" grew inside many riders.

The above is a good example to point out the difference between a republic and a democracy.

In a Democracy, the mob rules and the one ( SUV driver ) has no rights and is at the liberty of the mob with no recourse. ( Vigilante Justice )

In a Republic, that SUV driver has rights and should be brought to justice. ( Court of law )

We live in a republic but have a democratic way of voting and God Bless the Republic.

Anyone who thinks the bikers were right, justified, had a good reason or were made to do it needs to sit on a jury and learn about what the rest of us follow - THE LAW.

The HA get ahead of you,there's no need to slow down because you were going too slow to start with. :lol:
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Post Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:12 pm

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NEW YORK – A motorcyclist accused of smashing a window and catalyzing a bloody encounter between a group of bikers and an SUV driver was arraigned Sunday on gang assault and other major charges, which his lawyer said were overblown.

The fourth person arrested so far in a case held up as a highway nightmare, Reginald Chance, 37, was being held on $75,000 cash bail. Prosecutors said he played a key role in the SUV driver’s beating, which came after the driver ran over a biker in what the motorist’s family said was fear for his life.

While Chance didn’t hit or kick the driver, by shattering the SUV’s driver’s-side window, he “set into motion a chain of events that resulted in the driver being dragged out of his vehicle and beaten” by others, Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Samantha Turino said.

Chance’s lawyer, Gregory Watts, acknowledged his client broke the window in a burst of anger. The SUV’s door had knocked him down earlier in the encounter that went from a Manhattan highway to a neighborhood street, Watts said. Video that captured part of the encounter shows Chance got on his motorcycle after breaking the window and left without hitting SUV driver Alexian Lien or encouraging anyone else to do so, Watts said.

“This is not a man riding around assaulting people with a quote-unquote ‘gang,”’ Watts said. “We will hotly contest those allegations.”

A married father of six, Chance has been unemployed since a 2011 layoff from a food-service company, Watts said.

In the Sept. 29 confrontation, a group of motorcyclists crossed paths with Lien, who was out for a drive to celebrate his wedding anniversary with his wife and their toddler. One biker, Christopher Cruz, 28, cut off Lien’s Range Rover SUV and slowed down before it bumped his motorcycle’s rear tire, police and prosecutors said. Cruz is fighting misdemeanor charges including unlawful imprisonment.

Cruz and other bikers stopped and approached Lien, 33; who drove off, running over biker Edwin “Jay” Mieses Jr. and breaking his spine and both his legs. The motorcyclists pursued Lien off the highway and onto a street, then attacked him when he got stuck in traffic, authorities said. Chance’s bike was knocked down along the way when another biker tried to open the SUV’s door and it drove on, Watts said.

After the SUV’s window was broken, Lien was dragged out, beaten and stomped, needing stitches in his face, authorities said.

Another rider accused of participating in the beating, Robert Sims, 35, of Brooklyn, was arraigned Saturday on charges including gang assault. His lawyer, Luther Williams, said Sims denies the charges.

Prosecutors have declined to charge a fourth man who was arrested, at least for now.

Lien has not been charged with any crime. His family’s lawyers declined to comment on Chance’s arrest.

Police are investigating whether an undercover police officer at the motorcycle rally witnessed the violent confrontation and didn’t immediately report it, a law enforcement official said Saturday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation. Police also are looking into whether any off-duty officers were there.

Meanwhile, a bystander hailed as a hero in the episode gave a public account Sunday of stopping the attack.

Lien was on the ground when bystander Sergio Consuegra stepped in between him and the bikers, Consuegra recalled at a news conference with local officials.

Feeling “intense danger,” Consuegra told himself, “‘Let me not show these people that I’m here to engage in any kind of confrontation but that I’m here to protect the man and the family, so I’m going to keep it cool,”’ he recalled. Consuegra, who’s in his 50s, was on his way to church when he saw the encounter.

He spread his arms to shield the driver and told the bikers: “‘That’s it, guys. Let it go. That’s it. Let it go,”’ he said. The bikers backed off, and Consuegra called police.

He said he felt he’d done the right thing. But “I do not call myself a hero,” he said, “because I wish I could have done more.”
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